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本帖最後由 ching43202 於 2011-6-2 03:33 編輯 世界初攝影團0 B0 _3 x5 T2 ^: C& r9 x
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Sigma SD1 was just announced at dpreview with preview.8 {; v  t! w. C
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It has long been a rumor for the AF system provided by Olympus.
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Do you feel any familiar of their 11 points all cross type AF system (E3, 30, and 5)?
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It looks like no more rumor from this picture.5 E8 [: _) R7 o3 t5 `
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Since Olympus can provide AF system to Sigma and Sigma should be able to provide this sensor technology to Olympus!olddo,E5,E3,E1,E520,E420,E330,E300,E500,E620,E30,E450,m43,世界初,olympus,zuiko,E520,E330,攝影,測光,教學,9-18mm,攝影教學,E-P1,E-PL1,E-P2,白平衡,m4/3,歐豆,E-m5,E-P3,E-pl38 {% \5 w0 J4 M' i  ]% ]2 J4 V- Z3 J

% t  L# `" Y! S( U) Q世界初攝影團 攝影技術本位的網站Wish it is truth and Olympus will reborn again!
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Your though is welcome!

According to this article - 世界初攝影團* d: S. g1 |, \

; t6 Y* x5 x) b' `$ a世界初攝影團 攝影技術本位的網站Exclusive: Sigma and Foveon discuss the forthcoming SD1 - Tuesday, 5 October 2010世界初攝影團 攝影技術本位的網站8 O9 Y- |2 a4 ?0 m, p1 o: y) \
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「'We worked with a semiconductor manufacturer for the AF sensor and again purchased the AE sensor from a supplier', says Yamaki. This hasn't meant buying from other camera makers though, he said: 'this is a specified industry - they supply us with parts to our specifications. We didn't work with any other camera maker.'」
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The af system of SD1 may not be provided by Olympus.
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回復 2# elf0724 世界初攝影團, N5 L6 A( J+ p+ y
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- Q0 x0 _4 \) O* b, J世界初攝影團"According to this article - olddo.com' @. d! i9 V% u* [
Exclusive: Sigma and Foveon discuss the forthcoming SD1 - Tuesday, 5 October 20106 g' ?3 y; P: K+ Y# g" j+ \世界初攝影團6 \- i1 a% s# d/ A9 E1 ?
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. S4 l  h" w' Yolddo.comThank you for the reference. I am not arguing with you and please don't misunderstand my statment here. I just wish my though can be true - Foven sensor on 4/3 Olympus body!
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Below is the whole paragraph of your quote and Sigma mainly try to emphasize that they make most parts of the camera by themselves in this paragraph. They do admit that the AF and AE sensors are from others.olddo,E5,E3,E1,E520,E420,E330,E300,E500,E620,E30,E450,m43,世界初,olympus,zuiko,E520,E330,攝影,測光,教學,9-18mm,攝影教學,E-P1,E-PL1,E-P2,白平衡,m4/3,歐豆,E-m5,E-P3,E-pl30 m% Z! @, C) P6 N$ R! ?2 @0 t

* [' ^# Q# i& I: Z7 O& h世界初攝影團"Unlike many manufacturers who out-source their manufacturing, Sigma makes almost the entire camera in-house. There are still a handful of components it buys in, however. 'We worked with a semiconductor manufacturer for the AF sensor and again purchased the AE sensor from a supplier', says Yamaki. This hasn't meant buying from other camera makers though, he said: 'this is a specified industry - they supply us with parts to our specifications. We didn't work with any other camera maker.'"olddo.com: L9 K7 ]$ U  j0 S. q) n5 D
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It is only a logic issue in my opinion.
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4 M' P, b+ f2 V6 v. J% b* `6 x# d. ^2. Does Olympus make their own AF sensor?
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0 h$ v% ]1 v: ONo, Olympus may provide only their own design and the manufacturer/supplier make them. Sigma still get the benefit (patents allowerance) indirectly from Olympus.
2 v! r. h. ?* w  K世界初攝影團 攝影技術本位的網站No, Olympus solely buy patented AF sensor from others. Sigama may also buy the same AF sensor from this supplier. This may fit your though. However, we know that Olympus do design their own AF sensor. I am proud of its all 11 point "dual" cross type AF system. 世界初攝影團 攝影技術本位的網站: o: V' R' o& l4 q, a

0 D/ O- S4 h3 D0 j9 q! [2 d世界初攝影團3. Sigma may also try to buy better AF sensor from Nikon or Canon (or their contract manufacturers). It is clearly that this deal is not success.olddo.com& c3 \! |+ H- i3 t1 w& M. \
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4. Olympus for sure also looking for any best sensor to fit (m)4/3 system including Sigma. That's why Olympus switch sensor manufacturer from Kodak to Panasonic. I do believe that the best way for the smaller 2D 4/3 sensor to survive is going to 3D as Foven sensor. Please think about it - the 12X3=36 mp sensor (even 8X3=24 mp sensor is still perfect for us)! Again, you and I are only customers and cannot do anything for Olympus. All is about business.世界初攝影團# \! S9 [' i0 l+ T3 s; S" Y
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本帖最後由 elf0724 於 2011-6-1 02:10 編輯
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"ching43202 - I just wish my though can be true - Foven sensor on 4/3 Olympus body!"
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"ching43202 - I just wish my though can be true - Foven sensor on 4/3 Olympus body!"olddo.com! G! m/ ^$ s. k/ x1 @1 y
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Me too. :)
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    I believe it's most Olympus fans' dream. In fact, it's not only a dream, but also a fantasy.

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本帖最後由 sak_mooncat 於 2011-6-2 06:30 編輯 世界初攝影團) V- t8 Y) ^9 i' A' ]& ?

# L. `# \) R, v1 c$ r- @  Y4 u3 Y8 A世界初攝影團I'm not quite sure about what kind of feature(s) (I do not mean the specification(s)) that Foveon x3 sensor can provide to us when it's built in the E-system.
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1 Y/ V# |+ R! R9 Y3 k1 j世界初攝影團 攝影技術本位的網站BTW, I remember there's one rumor about the quare sensor for 4/3 system before but we've seen nothing like that so far.

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回復 6# sak_mooncat
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    The sensor area of 4/3 will never catch up with APS and FF for sure. Thus the performance of 4/3 sensor will always maintain a solid distance from those of APS and FF. The best way and only way to beat them is to "transform" from 2D to 3D sensor (Sigma Foven sensor). Yes, Kodak make good CCD sensor with great color; but we all know that there are many advantages of CMOS that CCD cannot catch up with. The distance may even get longer as time goes by. However, I am not sure if Foven sensor adopt CCD or CMOS technology?
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( q2 p8 M/ U" E# v2 ?" {8 {世界初攝影團    Do you mean the square sensor from Panasonic new 16/18 mp sensor on GH2 and G3? It is square so you don't need to flip camera for vertical photos. It is a good idea and can save you lots of money for other accessories. The biggest drawback is the bad handling of ISO performance. It looks good at ISO 100 or 200 however performs much worse thereafter. May be that's anohter reason Olympus refuse to put that sensor on the flagship E5. Do you satisfy with a 12 mp E5 with good ISO all the way to 1600 and above or a 16 mp E5 with higher resolution but ISO only good to 400?
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Anyway whatever we dream on will never come true - The Murphy Law.

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I don't think Oly will let our dream come true. The E5 is a good example. What did we drream about E5 before it deputed? Modular designed? New sensor? If they put the technology of E5 into E30 body, and launch the E50 instead of E5. No one would complaint about the small improvement from E3 to E5. They could have much better sales of E50 now, and it could give them more time to introduce new or better sensor on E5.世界初攝影團8 l) O3 E8 b3 A/ y" p0 N. q
With three years development, it came out small tweaks on old sensor for their flag ship??? They actually treat the sensor like film, all Oly's dslr and evil are using the SAME sensor for three years in such competitive world. They may play the same game again; ep3, epl3, ep mini will use  same sensor, whch is more advance than E5. If they put this sensor on e50, their flag ship will be the worst sensor in their portfolio. What a joke it will be! The MFT lens can never beat FT lens. It come out the best lens can only be used with worst sensor. Are you expecting E7 in next year? The fans who have bought E5 will break their heart completely.

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回復 8# tomchang olddo.com, c5 g! n, E  [: Z+ n
I can tell that you are another Olympus die hard fan. , O# E- y' G" y- C$ n& \* |* h  e5 E
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"With three years development, it came out small tweaks on old sensor for their flag ship???"世界初攝影團  |$ H! E4 l" @; D5 w: g0 V" S
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Yes E5 may not change as much as we think. You should have seen some news I post here with many awards winning including TIPA. It is not just a small tweaks. Its images quality for sure is competitive than any APS all the way up to ISO 1600. 世界初攝影團* b% i$ R! q% W8 i+ ]7 B& A
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"They may play the same game again; ep3, epl3, ep mini will use  same sensor, whch is more advance than E5. If they put this sensor on e50, their flag ship will be the worst sensor in their portfolio. What a joke it will be!"
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It is the way for all brands including Canon, Nikon, and Olympus. 600D sensor is better than that of 40D. D7000 sensor is better than that of D300. E30 sensor is better than that of E3. New technology must be better than the old one.
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"The MFT lens can never beat FT lens. It come out the best lens can only be used with worst sensor."
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- T; y) ?1 y: C9 l* F5 C世界初攝影團 攝影技術本位的網站Yes, MFT doesn't have the HG and SHG lenses. However, please check slrgear for the same standard level of both 40-150mm lenses. The results will surprise you a lot. In addition, all FT lenses can be used on MFT bodies but not the other way.世界初攝影團0 w$ \1 r( {+ i: p# w! `' c
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8 n6 x4 |9 s( A4 ^, YAre you expecting E7 in next year? The fans who have bought E5 will break their heart completely." 9 x* R% U/ m/ y+ A) h: y
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No, I am expecting E50 next year. From their pattern if I still remember E3 -- E30 with new sensor and then E5 -- should be E50 with new sensor.olddo,E5,E3,E1,E520,E420,E330,E300,E500,E620,E30,E450,m43,世界初,olympus,zuiko,E520,E330,攝影,測光,教學,9-18mm,攝影教學,E-P1,E-PL1,E-P2,白平衡,m4/3,歐豆,E-m5,E-P3,E-pl3$ e* z2 X' j4 T' b

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